tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post114141397213067976..comments2023-09-21T03:28:35.308-05:00Comments on Full Metal Attorney: On Euthanasia, and Where I Disagree with Organized ReligionFull Metal Attorneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1143843561769275212006-03-31T16:19:00.000-06:002006-03-31T16:19:00.000-06:00Hello:I popped over from the Crystal Clear web sit...Hello:<BR/><BR/>I popped over from the Crystal Clear web site when I saw your comment. She had rented a billboard from me that caused me to write a Terri Schiavo post. She didn't actually leave a comment, but I get the impression she wasn't happy with her rental (she did get 23 visits though).<BR/><BR/>You may wish to read <A HREF="http://throughadarkglass.blogspot.com/2006/03/Philip Del Riccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16722273697416385903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141988426010403432006-03-10T05:00:00.000-06:002006-03-10T05:00:00.000-06:00I guess nobody studies Greek anymore. Or else you'...I guess nobody studies Greek anymore. Or else you're being too polite to point out my slip-up. (Or just ignoring me! : )<BR/><BR/>I've been trying to brush up on my Hebrew lately, so maybe I was influenced by the equivalent <I>Ruach <B>ha</B>Qodesh</I>? Whatever.<BR/><BR/>Either way, the proper article is <I>To</I> not <I>Ho</I>; neuter, not masculine. FWIW.IbaDaiRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845661759929090003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141841111311768362006-03-08T12:05:00.000-06:002006-03-08T12:05:00.000-06:00Sorry for double-posting.(I've always admired the ...Sorry for double-posting.<BR/><BR/>(I've always admired the strength of conviction demonstrated by anonymity. In contexts like this, it always makes me wonder if <I>Ho Pneuma Hagion</I> is gracing us with Its Presence. Do you think God has broadband? Infinite bandwidth? Never mind.)<BR/><BR/>Revelations is another one of them allegorical thangs. But that's just my opinion.<BR/><BR/>Spiritual IbaDaiRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845661759929090003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141839092626106712006-03-08T11:31:00.000-06:002006-03-08T11:31:00.000-06:00I don't think God damns anyone. We damn ourselves....<I>I don't think God damns anyone. We damn ourselves.</I><BR/><BR/>And guns don't kill people, people kill people. Come on, you can do better than that. God set the stage, God rigged the deck; he doesn't get off <B>that</B> easily.<BR/><BR/>Have you been around little children much? The surest way to get them to do something is to tell them NO. What were Adam and Eve but children?<BR/><BR/>Here'sIbaDaiRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845661759929090003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141835799636818032006-03-08T10:36:00.000-06:002006-03-08T10:36:00.000-06:00When saying, sinning leads to death the death refe...When saying, sinning leads to death the death referred to is a spiritual death...not physical...to see how this death plays out see Revelations...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141827808553140772006-03-08T08:23:00.000-06:002006-03-08T08:23:00.000-06:00Moise: "Mandatory Suicide" is a Slayer song from t...Moise: "Mandatory Suicide" is a Slayer song from the album <A HREF="http://ubl.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,164346,00.html" REL="nofollow">South of Heaven</A> (1988). And it's a good one too.<BR/><BR/>Ib: I don't think God damns anyone. We damn ourselves. And I don't think it has anything to do with any particular sin, but rather a state of being sinful. That said, I think the Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141806650332589432006-03-08T02:30:00.000-06:002006-03-08T02:30:00.000-06:00Actually, Moise, I probably won't. Unless I get bo...Actually, Moise, I probably won't. Unless I get bored. (Not in the sense of not getting the "attention I so crave", either.)<BR/><BR/>But I suppose that first was just another knee-jerk response?<BR/><BR/>I do apologize to y'all for letting a crapful day on this end yesterday result in a "righteous atheist" ventfest.<BR/><BR/>My point is that everything dies, from bacteria and pets to stars and IbaDaiRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845661759929090003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141798942667376742006-03-08T00:22:00.000-06:002006-03-08T00:22:00.000-06:00Nevermind...It seems I've been a victim of "troll-...Nevermind...It seems I've been a victim of "troll-baiting"...<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_bait<BR/><BR/>My bad. He's just like international news. If we don't watch it, it'll go away. (Thank you Colbert Report).Moisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00297659105039994311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141798231613921432006-03-08T00:10:00.000-06:002006-03-08T00:10:00.000-06:00After reading IbaDaiRon's comment maybe we should ...After reading IbaDaiRon's comment maybe we should be advocating mandatory suicide rather than merely tolerating assisted suicide.Moisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00297659105039994311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141749160304199082006-03-07T10:32:00.000-06:002006-03-07T10:32:00.000-06:00According to the story, Adam and Eve ate of the fr...According to the story, Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, not from the Tree of Life. Since the ole Schizo Gardner (let US do this and let US do that) prevented them from eating of the latter as well (that little valentine candy angel with the big hot knife), they did not become immortal.<BR/><BR/>Which implies they were <B>mortal</B> to begin with.<BR/><BR/>IbaDaiRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845661759929090003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141670726169732712006-03-06T12:45:00.000-06:002006-03-06T12:45:00.000-06:00Saying that (sin leading to death) is God's justic...Saying that (sin leading to death) is God's justice may be a little bit of a stretch (I was actually having to finish the post quickly before a meeting and rushed it...sorry), but the idea I was trying to convey is simple that sinning is punishable by death...that is laid out for us in the Bible (Romans 3:23). Just wanting to clarify!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141667025628851082006-03-06T11:43:00.000-06:002006-03-06T11:43:00.000-06:00Interesting point. I'm not sure about the example ...Interesting point. I'm not sure about the example you posit, so I'll take Sodom and the city that I don't know how to spell. (Perhaps this is what you meant?) God indeed has many attributes, but God in the Old Testament had different goals in order to make clear his utter distaste for certain kinds of behavior. And I cringe at your calling something God's justice because of sin. I'm going to use Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141666305968472732006-03-06T11:31:00.000-06:002006-03-06T11:31:00.000-06:00Not an argument with your position on euthanasia (...Not an argument with your position on euthanasia (although I think your logic and Biblical understanding is off on the matter) but a thought on your God doesn't have anything to do with death statement...I serve a God who has many attributes, yes He has grace, mercy and love and wants the best for His people but He is also Just and the Judge of all man. He has nothing to do with death? Then Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141664836260814372006-03-06T11:07:00.000-06:002006-03-06T11:07:00.000-06:00I haven't heard from him yet. It's quite possibly ...I haven't heard from him yet. It's quite possibly that he's very busy, and lots of people were talking to him after church so I didn't get a chance.<BR/><BR/>Also, Khorbin, I'm impressed by your response to that article. It's exactly what I would have said, so maybe the old inside joke is true.Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141643138947529132006-03-06T05:05:00.000-06:002006-03-06T05:05:00.000-06:00Yeah, the points made in that article were pretty ...Yeah, the points made in that article were pretty weak, as far as I'm concerned. <BR/><BR/>The main argument that this article poses is something along the lines of <BR/><BR/>1. Life and Death are in God's hands<BR/>2. We are not God<BR/>Therefore, we should not have control over when someone dies.<BR/><BR/>But doesn't this also mean that we should not attempt to EXTEND someone's life either? adaminaustraliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05044788916369059236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141621011271009872006-03-05T22:56:00.000-06:002006-03-05T22:56:00.000-06:00BTW, I talked to my dad about this over the weeken...BTW, I talked to my dad about this over the weekend. He seems to believe that with the abundance of different pain killers that euthanasia of humans is no longer necessary. I would add that this doesn't hold true if you take into account economic factors, but if you do take those into account then you are opening a very scary can of worms.<BR/><BR/>Also, I've been directed to <A HREF="http://Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141620395285565762006-03-05T22:46:00.000-06:002006-03-05T22:46:00.000-06:00l>t, that is a very insightful statement. I think ...l>t, that is a very insightful statement. I think the Language Guy is right about you--you are bright.Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141502343251981972006-03-04T13:59:00.000-06:002006-03-04T13:59:00.000-06:00Choosing suicide & choosing euthanasia are not 'wh...Choosing suicide & choosing euthanasia are not 'whims' made capriciously. They are judgements made in extreme anguish. How can we standing on the outside, assume any diff.? <BR/>On euthanasia; If God in infinite wisdom gives mankind the power to help & extend life, why can't God also give man the power to end a suffering life? <BR/><BR/>On suicide; Who are we, so arrogant to judge? If suicide is concerned citizenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01935396158050893085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141483747305691432006-03-04T08:49:00.000-06:002006-03-04T08:49:00.000-06:00Moise:As to the first question, I think a useful a...Moise:<BR/>As to the first question, I think a useful analogy would be to think of a person's state as alive or dead affected by a kind of inertia. Sin is friction or any other kind of intervening force, and God is only what put life into motion, not that he keeps pushing it. So keeping someone alive is not necessarily doing God's will, but perhaps usurping his role.<BR/><BR/>The second question Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141422913885750052006-03-03T15:55:00.000-06:002006-03-03T15:55:00.000-06:00Quick, knee-jerk-question. God has nothing to do w...Quick, knee-jerk-question. <BR/><BR/>God has nothing to do with death, only life. <BR/><BR/>Does it follow that keeping people alive is doing God's will? <BR/><BR/>Another, knee-jerk. <BR/><BR/>Who get's to decide what's happy? A three judge panel? A mother? A BFF or "Best-Friend-Forever"? (South park, anyone?) <BR/><BR/>It seems as though you are allowing the "owner" of the animal to decide whatMoisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00297659105039994311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-1141415305056792082006-03-03T13:48:00.000-06:002006-03-03T13:48:00.000-06:00I would have to agree. It is clearly wrong to forc...I would have to agree. It is clearly wrong to force someone to suffer from a terminal illness for a year or so- why can't they die with dignity? Also the "God decides when someone dies argument" is surely flawed, as otherwise how could we possibly save peoples lives? Or for that matter administer the death penalty, although I fail to remember the catholic position on that one (and me raised a Mr Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158562661305595169noreply@blogger.com