tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post4380874123872758215..comments2023-09-21T03:28:35.308-05:00Comments on Full Metal Attorney: Budgie: The Second Metal Band?Full Metal Attorneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-71437533952719173002011-01-03T10:04:38.563-06:002011-01-03T10:04:38.563-06:00Thanks! I'll have to keep my eyes open.Thanks! I'll have to keep my eyes open.Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-60608403766004961672011-01-03T08:31:50.530-06:002011-01-03T08:31:50.530-06:00i don't know if you can obtain a copy somehow,...i don't know if you can obtain a copy somehow, but bbc 4s documentary heavy metal britania charts the beginnings of metal in the heavy industrial midlands of the uk, where psychedelia didn't fit in well with the steel and iron works, and young people wanted something gritty and hard sounding. also,on youtube there are some videos of tredegar (the band) with ray phillips and tony bourge malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-4505233149930105772011-01-02T16:31:30.682-06:002011-01-02T16:31:30.682-06:00thanks for your reply kelly,just one thing i'd...thanks for your reply kelly,just one thing i'd like to explain that sabbath were never satanists, but merely used the satanic image as a stage persona, and burke was stating that he would have been uncomfortable doing that.malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-75286240071964731262011-01-02T15:45:29.918-06:002011-01-02T15:45:29.918-06:00Thanks for all your comments. The reason they took...Thanks for all your comments. The reason they took so long to show up is I haven't been on the Internet the past few days (that's a pretty big aberration for me to go more than a day without it).<br /><br />I've been a big fan of Budgie's early work, and some of their later work, since I first discovered it nearly a decade ago (I'm 28, which I'm discovering is a very weirdFull Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-83190988564315840192011-01-02T06:11:46.109-06:002011-01-02T06:11:46.109-06:00hi, kelly, i have posted several comments over the...hi, kelly, i have posted several comments over the last few days but they don't seem to be getting to you. i am very pleased that you recognised budgie's contribution to metal and rock music. i have a personal interest because budgie are from south wales where i live, and when ray phillips left the band he moved to tredegar which is the town where i live, and bought a house a few doors malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-545368475508379432010-12-31T10:35:22.072-06:002010-12-31T10:35:22.072-06:00from what ray has told me, they had the same basic...from what ray has told me, they had the same basic sound all along, even when they were called six ton budgie. they used to play the local theatres and i saw them several times between 1968 and 1970. they did not yet have a record deal and were signed up and produced by rodger bain who was also working with sabbath at rockfield studios. they were not influenced by sabbath particularly, although malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-66908633694985941772010-12-30T14:58:24.700-06:002010-12-30T14:58:24.700-06:00i forgot to mention that tony bourge played a gibs...i forgot to mention that tony bourge played a gibson sg, and like the rest of the band his influences were the rolling stones, the beatles and the kinks, and he had a reputation as a gifted player of heavy riffs which were eventually picked up on by judas priest who supported them in the early days. iron maiden also covered their songs as did metallica and van halen, so although budgie were a malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-19546233026716259612010-12-30T14:03:35.051-06:002010-12-30T14:03:35.051-06:00good point kelly, but ray has often said that they...good point kelly, but ray has often said that they have played the type of music on the albums since they got together ( he lives about two miles from me.} burke also stated in an interview recently broadcast by the bbc that he has never been a black sabbath fan despite having close connections with them such as sharing the same producer and recording at rockfield during the same period. being a malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-82488140820879415062010-12-30T09:49:32.631-06:002010-12-30T09:49:32.631-06:00I'd be interested to know whether they got rea...I'd be interested to know whether they got really heavy before Sabbath did (considering "Rape of the Locks" is more on the rock end of the spectrum). There's also the question of how you define it: Is it by first metal album released, or by being the first band to start playing metal?Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-56760167031152850402010-12-29T14:49:22.080-06:002010-12-29T14:49:22.080-06:00the main theme of the article seems to be that bud...the main theme of the article seems to be that budgie came after black sabbath, but after speaking to ray phillips the original drummer and from burke shelley's interviews budgie played their own style of music from their formation in 1967 with tracks such as rape of the locks being played live from 1967 which is at least the same time that sabbath were formed and a full year before led malnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-14575782412144007112010-11-08T14:57:50.955-06:002010-11-08T14:57:50.955-06:00That information really did belong at the beginnin...That information really did belong at the beginning of the post, but, well, them's the breaks. Sorry. :)<br /><br />One thing I forgot to mention is that Budgie is also arguably the first metal band to have a mascot of sorts, in the form of the bird-man, but it's hard to tell whether it's intended to be the same character from album cover to album cover. This trend would be followed, Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-91660656131717295962010-11-08T13:59:00.170-06:002010-11-08T13:59:00.170-06:00And here I read this whole thing and was getting r...And here I read this whole thing and was getting ready to ask your thoughts about BOC's standing as an early metal band, just to have it addressed in the second-to-last sentence.Patricknoreply@blogger.com