tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post6939220696362398210..comments2023-09-21T03:28:35.308-05:00Comments on Full Metal Attorney: Metal and Christianity, Part 1Full Metal Attorneyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-35615996972137779352011-10-15T01:31:09.145-05:002011-10-15T01:31:09.145-05:00On the Nazi note, some quick further tidbits borro...On the Nazi note, some quick further tidbits borrowed from Wikipedia (the info can be found elsewhere too, but this is just easier:<br /><br />-----<br /><br />In 1941, Martin Bormann, a close associate of Hitler said publicly "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable". In 1942 he also declared in a confidential memo to Gauleiters that the Christian Churches 'must Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643574297099103547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-67569490749524620522011-10-13T22:47:55.907-05:002011-10-13T22:47:55.907-05:00Nice piece. I found it fascinating, perplexing eve...Nice piece. I found it fascinating, perplexing even, how you feel about Rotting christ. Don't know much about them, but aside form whether or not the members commit actual acts against chrisitanity, I don't see much difference between them and any other named BM band. I actually dig some of their material. <br /><br />To say you would not slisten to/support them just becuase of their nameVyceVictusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-54674943737972787872011-10-13T13:15:27.311-05:002011-10-13T13:15:27.311-05:00Yes, it would. Varg and Samoth (I wasn't aware...Yes, it would. Varg and Samoth (I wasn't aware of the Emperor/Zyklon connection to that issue previously). You'll notice most of the time when I first mention a band, the name of the band is a link. Burzum has no links from me.Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-49965257388651140622011-10-13T12:47:33.165-05:002011-10-13T12:47:33.165-05:00This was a really interesting post to read. I am l...This was a really interesting post to read. I am loosely Christian myself, so I tend to encounter the fringes of many similar debates, so I enjoyed reading your take on the issue.<br /><br />On a quizzical note, when you said "I won't support those who have violated the law in furtherance of their anti-Christian beliefs" wouldn't that apply to Norwegian black metal artists like Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643574297099103547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-35079204982748218322011-10-13T11:04:02.391-05:002011-10-13T11:04:02.391-05:00Thanks for the comment. You seem to have an unusua...Thanks for the comment. You seem to have an unusual position on the issue for a metalhead. No Extol <i>or</i> Watain?<br /><br />Not too many metal attorneys around here in Nebraska either, although there is also <a href="http://metallattorney.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Metallattorney</a>.<br /><br />I never asserted that people who are atheists have no code of morals, and if it seemed that Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-49496647179549563192011-10-13T10:08:00.982-05:002011-10-13T10:08:00.982-05:00Since I don't believe in god, I can't beli...Since I don't believe in god, I can't believe in satan. If you believe in one, you have to believe in the other. And I really don't see a difference between the 2- its still religion.<br /><br />I would not listen to band who is driven only by their religious beliefs, whether they be for god or for satan. <br />There's a difference between bands whose core beliefs as seen bradyjanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-11449496674242852982011-10-13T07:26:43.680-05:002011-10-13T07:26:43.680-05:00Ethics, morals, whatever you want to call it. How ...Ethics, morals, whatever you want to call it. How do you know what is wrong? Morals are intuitively known by all. Lewis cites Nazism as an example of something which all agree to be wrong, even atheists. So there must be a universal moral code. How can you explain such a code, if it is not on the same level as natural law? You really should read the book. It's quite short, and explains a Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-12727907481007583952011-10-12T23:33:22.629-05:002011-10-12T23:33:22.629-05:00I suppose it depends on your definition of moralit...I suppose it depends on your definition of morality. I call it ethics. I will admit that I have not read the Lewis book that you mention. However, it seems to me that your argument is that you need a supernatural being (for which there is no evidence of) to tell you what is right. Seems flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-72742074101046350312011-10-12T23:26:08.572-05:002011-10-12T23:26:08.572-05:00I realized I should clarify what I meant by a prin...I realized I should clarify what I meant by a principled basis for morality, because I'm guessing that's where the confusion lies. It does NOT mean that you can't come up with your own principles, or that people can't agree to principles. It means that there can be no principled basis for choosing what morality is without religion.Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-57699509786915108682011-10-12T21:37:50.102-05:002011-10-12T21:37:50.102-05:00Either you misunderstand what I mean by a principl...Either you misunderstand what I mean by a principled basis (I'd like to hear your reasoning) or you haven't fully understood the consequences of agreeing that there is such a thing as morality. As I said, if you don't agree, you might try reading <i>Mere Christianity</i>. C.S. Lewis makes the case as well as anyone. It would be good to hear the point of view of someone who was once anFull Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-27674405500129058512011-10-12T18:20:20.075-05:002011-10-12T18:20:20.075-05:00Arguing that "there's no principled basis...Arguing that "there's no principled basis for morality without religion" is laughable. I am an atheist and I have a very principled basis for morality. I don't need a supernatural myth looking over my shoulder to make me a good person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-88400346754686200102011-10-12T12:14:12.001-05:002011-10-12T12:14:12.001-05:00I want to add one more thing, and that's a quo...I want to add one more thing, and that's a quote from the unlikely source of Trey Parker: "Basically ... out of all the ridiculous religion stories which are greatly, wonderfully ridiculous — the silliest one I've ever heard is, 'Yeah ... there's this big giant universe and it's expanding, it's all gonna collapse on itself and we're all just here just 'cause .Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-23191072353930045412011-10-12T12:08:27.630-05:002011-10-12T12:08:27.630-05:00@ alex c:
Your comment showed up while I was writi...@ alex c:<br />Your comment showed up while I was writing the last one, so I didn't see it before. <br /><br />On your first point, you don't really need religion in order to be a "good" person, as the world sees it. However, according to Isaiah, all righteous acts are as filthy rags. Your actions don't save you. <br /><br />I don't think you can justify any kind of Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-25957221674898280422011-10-11T21:24:44.726-05:002011-10-11T21:24:44.726-05:00@ Miskatonic:
To be Christian is to be extreme, in...@ Miskatonic:<br />To be Christian is to be extreme, in a way. There can be no giving ground on many things. But both your verses refer to the pursuit of money and material wealth, not worldly pursuits of any kind. The second one also refers to acting out your faith, rather than claiming to be of the faith.<br /><br />@ Andrew Childers<br />Another interesting comment. One of the Decibel guys Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-39625808941747120882011-10-11T21:21:46.595-05:002011-10-11T21:21:46.595-05:00Two points to make & I'll try to be brief:...Two points to make & I'll try to be brief:<br /><br />1) as someone who was "raised" Catholic and never believed any of it, I still wonder why anybody thinks they need religion in order to be a good person. <br /><br />2) I get the impression that this post came out of (at least in part, anyway) the long discussion in that IO thread regarding Graveland. The point there wasn'alex chttp://avianarchitext.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-79819367865798255652011-10-11T19:15:50.660-05:002011-10-11T19:15:50.660-05:00unfortunately we on the hell-bound side haven'...unfortunately we on the hell-bound side haven't always done our best to be inclusive either. i noticed any time i did a post on christian grind band rehumanize the conversation turned more on their theology and less on how good their songs were (and i was guilty of some of that too). if i can roll my eyes are lame fake satanism i can enjoy half an hour of some dude screaming about my Andrew Childershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09817760227836086070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-69015102517821603672011-10-11T14:36:44.038-05:002011-10-11T14:36:44.038-05:00I not only overstated the implications of a "...I not only overstated the implications of a "saved by grace", I did it with the "saved by works" sect as well. Mormons actually believe in both. It's usually stated as "saved by grace after all we can do".<br /><br />It may seem extreme but it's not uncommon to find Mormons dedicating every waking moment to God. There's no paid ministry in the church, so Miskatonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10458189434988263478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-15032301177910124802011-10-11T14:02:01.196-05:002011-10-11T14:02:01.196-05:00One might ask how I, as an atheist, can listen to ...One might ask how I, as an atheist, can listen to music that has Christian lyrics. I don't actually find it that hard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-22234027763023687752011-10-11T13:40:05.952-05:002011-10-11T13:40:05.952-05:00That is an interesting comment. But it applies no ...That is an interesting comment. But it applies no more to metal than to any other worldly pursuit. It would be an extreme position indeed to assert that every waking moment must be dedicated wholly and undividedly to God, other than fulfilling one's vocation. I've always taken those verses to mean you must serve God first and foremost, but not to mean that you must abandon all other Full Metal Attorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04818204892818121018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13079355.post-30992808600868946402011-10-11T13:20:42.870-05:002011-10-11T13:20:42.870-05:00Up until about three years ago I was (tried to be)...Up until about three years ago I was (tried to be) a very devout mormon. Some say Mormons aren't Christian but that is beside the point. Mormons claim to love Christ and a lot of emphasis is placed upon his sacrifice as well as living your life according to His example. I struggled with my supposed love for Christ as well as my love for heavy metal. I was extremely conflicted all the time. I Miskatonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10458189434988263478noreply@blogger.com